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Re: MAD MEN
« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2012, 03:18:28 PM »

The Secretary. Mouse eared girl. she's overweight for a couple episodes then she fires off a baby. Seemed like a story line change at the last minute.
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« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2012, 03:28:27 PM »

Peggy.  Keep watching.  It will all make sense soon . . .
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« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2012, 04:39:26 PM »

(spoilers season 1)

 The pregnancy thing. What the hell? Did they panic midway through a story line and couldn't figure out how to get out of it? That was such an odd left turn.

Have you seen that show, I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant? Apparently it's more common than you'd think. Common enough to make an entire TV series! Some women don't show quite as much, and so they think they're just gaining weight. And they commonly mistake the kicking and the pain for gas. If that show had existed back in the 60s, Peggy would have been on it.

If you look back at the season, you'll see this was foreshadowed (and more time has passed than you think). I believe it's in the pilot that she gets birth control, which is why she's so astonished when the doctor breaks the news to her in the finale. Looking back, you'll also get a clue as to the identity of the father. Then in season two it starts paying off in interesting, ironic ways.

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« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2012, 06:21:04 PM »

(spoilers season 1)

 The pregnancy thing. What the hell? Did they panic midway through a story line and couldn't figure out how to get out of it? That was such an odd left turn.

Have you seen that show, I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant? Apparently it's more common than you'd think. Common enough to make an entire TV series! Some women don't show quite as much, and so they think they're just gaining weight. And they commonly mistake the kicking and the pain for gas. If that show had existed back in the 60s, Peggy would have been on it.

If you look back at the season, you'll see this was foreshadowed (and more time has passed than you think). I believe it's in the pilot that she gets birth control, which is why she's so astonished when the doctor breaks the news to her in the finale. Looking back, you'll also get a clue as to the identity of the father. Then in season two it starts paying off in interesting, ironic ways.

First off...I can't believe I am surprised that show exists. But no I had no idea...sheesh.

I get the rest of what you're saying. And now that I am a few episodes in I see where this is going.

I still think its a strange way they went about the birth. It doesn't really click with me and it seems like a panic move with a script change. Peggy is ignorant and naive but she isn't stupid.

And keep in mind I am by no means complaining since its a stunning show.  I am truly curious if there was a sudden change in script more than anything. This isn't FOX or HBO so they can't burn a few episodes and reshoot. They don't have the funds for it.
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« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2012, 06:27:08 PM »

At that time on Madison Avenue (and the like), secretaries sometimes became pregnant when they shouldn't, expenses were paid by the big boys and things were 'quietly' taken care of.   I believe Peggy comes from a large Catholic family.  And she is ambitious, wants to be in the boys club.  Considering the time period, her ambitions and her family background, it makes sense that she'd be dillusional about her situation.  "This can't be true," she was likely thinking, to the point of actually believing it.
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« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2012, 07:24:22 PM »

Thats both true in real life and possible for this show but I have a hard time buying this show would pull such a subtle psychodynamic hat trick like that.

Still...Peggy seems too sharp for this. From what I've seen (up to episode 17) she seems to spot bs pretty easy. Had she backed down to queen juggs, maybe. But her character doesn't fit being fooled like this.

Again not complaining as I'm just curious.
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« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2012, 08:03:28 PM »

Personally I think it was a planned pregnancy, as far as the scripting goes. If you think about how ironic it is on just about every level, it starts to make more sense and looks more and more intricate--too intricate to be a last-minute thing.

I say this only after having watched the entire series four times  ;) There is so much subtext to this show you almost have to soak in it to absorb it all.

However, I haven't looked into how far ahead they plot the show. Might bear investigation.

And I admit, Peggy's pregnancy is very sudden, and when I first saw the finale I was weirded out by the abrupt revelation for sure. And you know, every time I watch one of those I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant shows, my knee-jerk reaction is, "What, are they stupid?! Something like that, how do you not know?!" Honestly, I still have that reaction. But the more compassionate me tries to understand the circumstances and the misunderstandings these women go through.

Take Peggy for example. She was on birth control. To her, there's no way she can be pregnant, despite the affair. Also, she's trying really hard to be something other than mommy housewife during a time when all of society expects her to be mommy housewife. She feels that a baby would totally ruin her chances of being something different than her mother, say. That's why she gets on the birth control in the first place. So to her, and I think it's quite reasonable, there's got to be another explanation. She's just been eating from the cart more, or something. Pregnancy is the last thing from her mind. And when it does cross her mind, it scares the hell out of her, but then she thinks, "No, can't be. I'm on the pill. It's impossible."

We should look into it though. Maybe Wikipedia for that episode???

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« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2012, 08:23:33 PM »

I guess I saw the show heading into a collision with Pete due to the issues with their marriage and then someone hit the eject button once they started planning out season II.

I understand the social and cultural reasons you're stating but I don't see that being the reason here. Everything in this show seems so well thought out so this sticks out to me as abnormal.

"we'll have her knocked up and play out a nightmare of high class white collar versus low class secretary"

(season II planning) " hey lets do something more interesting!  Oh wait we already shot a few scenes with her getting bigger"

*PANIC*
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« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2012, 09:01:24 PM »

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And I admit, Peggy's pregnancy is very sudden, and when I first saw the finale I was weirded out by the abrupt revelation for sure.

Is it possible this is a guy thing? 

I know the reveal for me was more like ah hah!  I felt that the writers knew way ahead of time that this would be the outcome.  For me, it didn't feel tacked on in the least.  In addition to what I mentioned in my last post, I  felt Peggy was so delusional about the whole thing that part of her might have believed she'd end up with the father of this baby.  I think the whole ordeal was an across the board--young girl, smart girl--right of passage.  Almost overnight.  Trial by fire.  Here this little Catholic girl finds herself in this ultra-chic ad agency.  No matter how smart of perceptive she may be, there is no way she'd be ready to handle everything all at once.  I think a lesser show, with typical writing (pandering most of the time) would have played up the pregnancy and queued the proper music.  I think this is what we're used to with television, especially dramas, but I don't think that convention would work on this show.   With Mad Men we are simply observing a slice of America that has passed away.  The detachment, in my opinion, is wonderful and refreshing.

 
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Re: MAD MEN
« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2012, 12:59:22 AM »

Bobbie, it could be a guy thing. But for me it was more like... "something happened, something terrible." And the way that I saw Peggy was gone. Personally, it was an abrupt shift in perception rather than the writing.

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Re: MAD MEN
« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2012, 08:13:45 PM »

Love this show open so much
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« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2012, 11:39:40 PM »

:thumbsup:

RJD2 did the theme music.

What episode are you on now, Mutts?

Bobbie, have you been watching season five?!

Matthew, have you watched more???

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« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2012, 11:22:56 AM »

I have been watching!  I won't say a word here as I don't want to give anything away.   :thumbsup:
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« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2012, 01:52:34 PM »



What episode are you on now, Mutts?


Just looked it up. Episode 20.

I have been watching!  I won't say a word here as I don't want to give anything away.   :thumbsup:

I don't know if anyone is set up for a spoiler aside from me so please talk away. At the rate we're going I will be caught up in a few weeks.

Its great when I am so behind on a show I end up loving so I have seasons ahead of me to watch. I think the last show that happened to me was Arrested Development..before that was Battle Star Galactica.
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« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2012, 09:19:51 AM »

Looks like we're now 4 episodes into season 4. Great googly moogly this is a wonderful show.

A few thoughts...

I love how they have broadened up what we know about Don. I don't mean his past so much as his personality. A nice microcosm of his overall character change in our eyes from episode 1 season 1 is the newspaper interviews in season 4.

Roger Sterling is one of my top characters. I think they should use him a bit more but I understand he has a high risk of over exposure.

The subtle character adjustments to Pete Campbell turned out very nicely done.

How many episodes of season 5 have I missed?
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