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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2175 on: May 13, 2012, 07:39:46 PM »

The Three Musketeers

five to ten minutes into this, the hardcore Dumas fan in me was insulted, offended, and disgusted. but i was able to put that aside and enjoy the film for what it was. about half the dialog was terrible. like, the writers took turns digging through a big bag of clichés instead of thinking. the action sequences were over the top and fun, the funny parts were genuinely funny, and the leads were aceptable. it's a mixed bag. i think the bad outweighs the good, and i doubt i'll ever re-watch this.
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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2176 on: May 13, 2012, 08:02:34 PM »

The Three Musketeers

five to ten minutes into this, the hardcore Dumas fan in me was insulted, offended, and disgusted.

I thought York, Reed, Chamberlain, Heston, Welch, et al. buckled their swashes rather nicely in this 1973 adventure (and its '74 sequel, The Four Musketeers: Milady's Revenge).
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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2177 on: May 13, 2012, 09:26:58 PM »

Ah, the Richard Lester version. I really liked (and really disliked) those. Loved the casting but there's a "gritty and realistic" style of direction in the '70s that irritates me. The swordfighting especially grates on me. They made a big deal of how realistic is was because they were using replicas of real swords instead of the lighter fencing weapons Hollywood always used up to that point. It was a good idea, but they exaggerated it so much that the actors stumbled around like they were swinging 30 lb weights. :P
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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2178 on: May 14, 2012, 05:04:01 PM »

Nikos, The Impaler ... wow, that was an odd movie .. hehee..
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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2179 on: May 15, 2012, 01:27:04 PM »

We started watching the Underworld movies again. I forgot how much fun those were.
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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2180 on: May 16, 2012, 09:45:58 PM »

Solomon Kane - This was not bad; better than a number of the other gritty fantasies in historical settings that have appeared over the last few years. Kane is an evil pirate who loses his soul in a demonic pact and hides from the Devil in a monastery covering his body with mystic tattoos and learning about faith and pacifism. Eventually he has to leave, goes through a lot of demonic crap, renounces his pacifist and rallied his old men to kill his demon-possessed brother, rescue his true love, and redeem is soul.

Not a bad story, though it felt pretty generic in many places. I would have enjoyed it better if I wasn't a fan of the Solomon Kane prose stories.

In the original stories Kane was a privateer and no-doubt ruthless, but not the evil pirate seen here. Still, that could just be a reinterpretation of the character. The original Kane was always (at least as far as we know) a devout Puritan and an English patriot. He didn't have any tattoos and didn't ever spend time in a monastery (he would have considered the Catholic monks heretics.) That's one of the oddest things about the movie, Robert E. Howard's Puritan hero isn't even a Puritan any longer. From context it's clear that he is a Catholic himself. The only reason he looks like a Puritan is that he borrows some clothes from a Puritan family he befriends.

This story is meant as an origin story, but it's a little like coming up with a secret origin for Bilbo Baggins. It's not needed and contradicts the source material in a lot of ways. The end result is still a fun movie, but one that really has nothing in common with the original stories other than the character's name.
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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2181 on: May 16, 2012, 11:24:43 PM »

See, that's interesting.  I saw this a few months ago and had a lot of fun with it.  And I admit, alas, that I'm not that familiar with the source material.

Hmmmmm... now I want to see it again.

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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2182 on: May 16, 2012, 11:37:51 PM »

it seems to me that works like the Howard stuff (Kull, Conan, Kane) and the phone-book-tick novels of Dumas will never get a screen treatment that hardcore fans will be happy with.

fortunately for me, i saw Arnie's Cimmerian before i read a touch of the old REH, so i'm okay there.
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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2183 on: May 17, 2012, 01:52:23 AM »

I've never read the originals, but I thought Solomon Kane was an excellent flick... riiiight until the balrog showed up.

I liked Arnie's Conan until I actually read the Howard stories, which was when I realized how wrong he was for the role. Also, I may be the only person on this board who actually liked Momoa's version.
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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2184 on: May 17, 2012, 08:23:17 AM »

I didn't say it was a bad movie; in fact, I enjoyed it.

I just said it had nothing to do with the Robert E. Howard character.
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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2185 on: May 17, 2012, 08:27:44 AM »

it seems to me that works like the Howard stuff (Kull, Conan, Kane) and the phone-book-tick novels of Dumas will never get a screen treatment that hardcore fans will be happy with.

IMO a big step in the right direction would be to make one that's actually based on a story that Howard wrote.
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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2186 on: May 19, 2012, 01:37:31 AM »

I didn't say it was a bad movie; in fact, I enjoyed it.

I just said it had nothing to do with the Robert E. Howard character.

You mean the one who's always fighting campy sorcerers, slaying his foes with a big sword and rescuing/scoring beautiful damsels?

You're right. Nothing like that happened in this movie.  ;)

IMO a big step in the right direction would be to make one that's actually based on a story that Howard wrote.

Well, the Kevin Sorbo Kull flick was technically based on The Hour of the Dragon, or at least had the same set-up (and hybridized two of the villains). And that's almost valid as an adaptation, since Howard's first Conan story was a rewritten Kull story, IIRC. But by all that's holy, was it fecking awful. Even Tia Carrere being all evil and sexy couldn't save it.

Actually, a big part of the reason the Momoa flick impressed me so much was that I was expecting it to be Sorbo's Kull all over again, and it wasn't.
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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2187 on: May 19, 2012, 09:47:17 AM »

I didn't say it was a bad movie; in fact, I enjoyed it.

I just said it had nothing to do with the Robert E. Howard character.

You mean the one who's always fighting campy sorcerers, slaying his foes with a big sword and rescuing/scoring beautiful damsels?

You're right. Nothing like that happened in this movie.  ;)

You are right. Thanks for clearing this up. Following this logic I can now see that The Scorpion King, Beastmaster, The Golden Voyage of Sinbad, The Sword and the Sorcerer and about 30 other movies are all adaptations of Howard stories. :thumbsup:


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IMO a big step in the right direction would be to make one that's actually based on a story that Howard wrote.

Well, the Kevin Sorbo Kull flick was technically based on The Hour of the Dragon, or at least had the same set-up (and hybridized two of the villains). And that's almost valid as an adaptation, since Howard's first Conan story was a rewritten Kull story, IIRC. But by all that's holy, was it fecking awful. Even Tia Carrere being all evil and sexy couldn't save it.

Actually, a big part of the reason the Momoa flick impressed me so much was that I was expecting it to be Sorbo's Kull all over again, and it wasn't.

Yeah, I had high hopes for that one when I say they were using material from the original stories. But you;re right, it was awful. I can agree, a fon non-adaptation (Momoa) is better than a lousy adaptation(Sorbo).
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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2188 on: May 19, 2012, 11:41:52 AM »

Following this logic I can now see that The Scorpion King, Beastmaster, The Golden Voyage of Sinbad, The Sword and the Sorcerer and about 30 other movies are all adaptations of Howard stories.

In many ways, they are. Or at least, they're largely in the same spirit.

As much as I love Conan, and as much depth as Howard put into his world, the bottom line is they're mostly pulp adventure stories about a barbarian kid from the sticks looking for a good time (or money, or revenge, or nookie, or his crown back). As someone more succinct than I once said: "I don't know why people walk into a Conan movie and expect Shakespeare."
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Re: Last Movie You Saw
« Reply #2189 on: May 19, 2012, 12:13:29 PM »

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You are right. Thanks for clearing this up. Following this logic I can now see that The Scorpion King, Beastmaster, The Golden Voyage of Sinbad, The Sword and the Sorcerer and about 30 other movies are all adaptations of Howard stories. 

Like you wouldn't be the first one in line to buy tickets for Robert E. Howard's Beastmaster...

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