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I have sort of the same problem, Blue. Long ago when I was about 5 or 6 I saw a few black and white movies with an actress that I believe to be Loretta Young. God, was she beautiful. Anyway, along the course of the movie, which usually took place in a huge gothic style mansion, a turtle would show up with a lit candle on its back. I can't find anything like that. I even went as far as contacting TCM and AMC and they couldn't pinpoint them either. I don't remember who the male character was, but then again I'm only guessing that it was Ms Young as the actress.