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« on: August 30, 2012, 11:22:11 PM »

News story of the moment: The NZ Parliament are voting on a same-sex marriage bill (and an unrelated bill that would allow gay couples to adopt). The usual nonsense arguments against it are being trotted out in the media, but the quote of the week has to go to National MP Maurice Williamson. Someone gave him the tired old "slippery slope" argument, claiming that if we allow same-sex marriage it won't be long until we have people marrying dogs. Williamson replied, "As long as they keep the dog off my lawn, I don't care."
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2012, 02:30:34 AM »

Let us hope the opportunity for gay marriage passes.

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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2012, 01:49:59 PM »

I find it barbaric and in the stylings of the Taliban that people are against gay marriage. Makes no sense to me and I have yet to ever hear anything approaching a logical reason as to why it shouldn't be allowed.

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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2012, 02:11:46 PM »

I find it barbaric and in the stylings of the Taliban that people are against gay marriage. Makes no sense to me and I have yet to ever hear anything approaching a logical reason as to why it shouldn't be allowed.

Human Rights should never be up for debate. 

People keep coming up with reasons but not a single one stands up to even the slightest scrutiny.
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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2012, 10:08:51 PM »

Feeble excuses tend to be like that.
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2012, 10:39:01 PM »

I think the problem is those folks who can't distinguish between a church marriage "in the eyes of God" and a legal marriage as endorsed and enforced by the laws of the state.

With all the myriad interpretations of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, etc... it's not hard to believe some of them would say marriage X goes against our religious beliefs.  Good for you.  Enjoy your beliefs within your church.

However, there is not a single reason to deny anyone the legal right to marriage.

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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2012, 10:50:36 PM »

Religious convictions and moral panic aside, I think people tend to oppose same-sex marriage simply because the idea of it bothers them (for whatever reason). This is why the arguments I've most often heard against it - the slippery slope, the "institution" of marriage, etc - tend to lack any real substance. They are, as I said, excuses people use so they can argue against it without sounding like homophobes.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with not liking something. Just don't go out of your way to deny others the right to it, especially when it doesn't actually affect you.
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2012, 08:52:11 AM »

Religious convictions and moral panic aside, I think people tend to oppose same-sex marriage simply because the idea of it bothers them (for whatever reason).
Whatever the core reason(s) may be, I will never understand why people spend so much emotion giving a fuck what someone else does that they need to control them.

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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2012, 08:57:45 AM »

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I think the problem is those folks who can't distinguish between a church marriage "in the eyes of God" and a legal marriage as endorsed and enforced by the laws of the state.

I used to have that excuse for the people involved that they were somehow confusing marriage as a divine sacrament of the church with marriage of the state which is an economic thing. However, the whole "domestic partnership" thing given as a separate but equal thing has been a complete failure.

People deny them the right to visit loved ones on their death bed, ignore it in courts, etc etc.

In short, it seems they don't want gays to get married because that's just flat out more social acceptance for them.
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