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Re: Writing Edged Weapons
« Reply #105 on: October 18, 2011, 11:33:30 PM »

it looks like an underfed, ineffecient oar.
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Re: Writing Edged Weapons
« Reply #106 on: October 19, 2011, 08:53:24 PM »

Hadn't seen one all-wood before.  They usually fix kind of a stone blade to those, don't they?

I've seen some with greenstone (jade) heads, but far as I know, they're usually all wood. You'd have to ask an expert.

It's often mistaken for a spear, but it's actually used more like a quarterstaff. And a spear. And a broadsword. Basically, there's no part of that weapon that won't fuck you up.

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Re: Writing Edged Weapons
« Reply #107 on: October 23, 2011, 04:31:38 PM »

It's odd how cultures who lack metal make weapons that mimic steel swords or spears.

Wooden swords have been edged with obsidian,flint chips and shark teeth. Many wooden clubs have a blade shaped profile, like the mai-tai -the drink is named for the war club-as soon as these people have access to metal, they make and use blades, but often, these mimic the wooden weapons.

Bamboo will cut, not often, but it will cut. Bamboo also makes the dreaded punji stake, a tradition in Southeast Asia. Not to mention blowgun darts.

I'm currently reading WWZ, where we meet a blind Japanese man who uses a narrow spade to destroy zombies. The author watched too many Zaito-Ichi movies, but it's a fun read, it's like eating a bag of Twizzlers.

I resent the author's depiction of the military as idiots-like the armor units taking explosive ammo against the zombies at Yonkers. Any brigade commander would load up on beehive(flechettes) and HEP, a ghastly munition that spatters the target with plastic explosive which then explodes. That would make zombies into mincemeat in batch lots. Also, cannister shells have been replaced by beehive long ago.

Enjoy the study of staff and pole weapons, indeed the poll axe was the favored knightly weapon for foot combat. These were commonly long hammers, but hammers were called axes then. Mounted warriors favored the hammer, battle paintings show many knights with war hammers, fewer with swords.

And the boar spear, mentioned above was often used in battle, it would be good for zombie hunting, since the crossbar would keep the zombie from running up the shaft.

But I digress, as I so frequently do..... :cthulhu:
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Re: Writing Edged Weapons
« Reply #108 on: November 24, 2011, 02:56:19 PM »

hey! someone on YouTube sent me a message about the Jacob's Ladder knife. he sent me HERE. way cool!

this is a cheaper and more available option than the Cold Steel one i was looking at, especially since those are "discontinued and sold out," and the price for any remaining knives has probably skyrocketed.
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Re: Writing Edged Weapons
« Reply #109 on: November 25, 2011, 02:58:32 PM »

It's odd how cultures who lack metal make weapons that mimic steel swords or spears.

Actually, I think it's the other way around - edged weapons made of wood were probably the forerunners of the metal ones. We all started out hitting our enemies with wood and rocks, and an observant enough caveman is going to figure out sooner or later that a piece of wood and rock with a sharpened point or edge is going to do more damage. The materials got better over time and eventually we figured out how to make metal blades. Hence, the sword.

If the Maori had figured out how to mine and smelt metal the tiaha probably would have developed into something even nastier, but they had so much success braining enemies with the wooden ones that there wasn't much need.

Related point of interest #1: When they were introduced to the musket during the New Zealand Wars, the Maori used to decorate them to resembled traditional weapons:



Related point of interest #2: The sharpened head of the tiaha is carved to resemble a human face with a protruding tongue forming the tip, which inspired part of the design of Salome's spear in The Book of Falling.
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Re: Writing Edged Weapons
« Reply #110 on: November 25, 2011, 05:40:44 PM »

I think Rob's dead-on with his observation. A sword or axe is an effective shame to focus the power of a blow on a small area, no matter what it's made of.

This is an interesting war club.  It's patterned off of the muskets and rifles of the colonists who encountered the northern woodlands Indians.

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Re: Writing Edged Weapons
« Reply #111 on: November 25, 2011, 10:17:14 PM »

I saw Conan tonight and one of the minor characters carried a Khopesh.



It is (IMO) one of the most funk-cool looking swords around, but a wonder a lot about its effectiveness.  The khopesh is a Canaanite "sickle-sword" which was also used by the Assyrians and Sumerians. The name "khopesh" is Egyptian, and it's most closely associated with Egypt, where it came to be a symbol of the Pharaoh's power.

I've seen some comments that it probably didn't start out as either a sickle or a sword but from an ancient axe, formed in the shape of the Greek letter, epsilon (you can see the evolution in this diagram).



I've seen big versions of this in fantasy movies. The version in Conan appeared to be as long as a broadsword, and heavier. The historical khopesh, however, seems to be more like the top picture, about 60 cm, or two feet long.

How effective a weapon was this?  My guess is "not very."  It doesn't have a good point for stabbing or thrusting, so it would only be good for slashing. It's other drawback is that it's very short. It would be a nasty weapon in a knife fight but against a longer sword, or a spear, it would be at a real disadvantage.
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Re: Writing Edged Weapons
« Reply #112 on: December 01, 2011, 05:45:11 PM »

The sickle swords  were quite effective-to this day a similar blade called a 'rice knife 's used in South East Asia.

The metelurgy of the local culture shapes the blades they use-until fairly recently iron, and later steel was in short supply. Bronze is expensive enough that is is used for coins, and never was cheap.

Bronze and iron won't make good long blades, this limits the size of swords, and tempts smiths to skimp on the tang.

The offset of the Egyptian sword makes is quite deadly for cutting, and a slant point can be crafted to such a blade-remember, the edge wounds, but the point kills. The Roman tradition of thrusting, spread and the sickle sword went out of fashion.

The Egyptian battle axe in it's final form had a narrow blade like a wood chisel, it went deep and was deadly striking head, body or even limbs.

Odd shaped blades are often difficult to sheath and carry, and when the thrusting doctrine came in, a spear was just as effective.

The Indonesian parang, beloved of Bear Grylls, is very like the old Egyptian blade. As a symbol of power that sword is suitable for beheading or penal amputation, just like an axe.

The years have produced every blade shape possible. Those that work, persist, the rest fall into disuse and are forgotten. :cthulhu:
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