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In an effort not to alienate some of my readers, let it be known I support you in your beliefs and in who you support...

I'm conducting an experiment, and I'd like you to join and check it out as it develops... Is this YouTube bomb idea stupid, or will it make an impact...

How does the saying go, "I am not many men, but I am one man.  I can't do everything, but I can do something"....

Check it out...

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Ron Paul Supporters... Stand and be counted...

The bootlicking media is coming out against Ron Paul, as usual, dismissing his "Remember, Remember the 5th of November" Grass Roots record smashing fundraiser as a fluke.

I don't know about you, but I'm sick of it.

Let's stand and be counted as Ron Paul supporters in a YouTube bomb!  Put up a video about why you support him and why you will support him once again in December and show the establishment who the people believe should be President, not who they tell us should be.

Hell, come out against him!  Where are all the supposed supporters of Giuliani, Romney, and McCain? 

Here's my video... check it out, then add your own...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGsy2hHp5CQ

Seriously, you have time to put a video of your dog running into a plate glass door or Bob getting kicked in the nuts or your mom falling down the stairs.  Take a minute to add more power to the YouTube bomb.  Keep it short and sweet.  No "magnum opus'" necessary.

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Er... who's Ron Paul?
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Hi Matt,

Dude, that link is absolutely fascinating... I must say, there were still plenty of things I was on board for, some I laughed at, and lots I was quite suprised to find...

I think it's cool that you put that up... Everyone likes to look at their pick for candidate as perfect.  We all know none of them are saints.  It kind of makes me even more cynical about the process, in a way...

However, it opened up some basic discourse and it is greatly appreciated... Thanks...

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p.s. - I've posted more stuff in support of Paul on YouTube... check it out...

http://www.youtube.com/elaire26
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I want people to vote. I want people to get involved in the process and know that their vote matters. I also hope that people are informed and making decisions that matter to them.

I don't really want to tell people who to vote for (that is up to them and their values/politics), but hopefully a little eduction along the way will get them to think about what matters.

Quite a few of Paul's ideas don't make a lot of economic sense to me (although they make really good talking points and 30 second ads). Take his Health Care "solutions" for example:

"Making all medical expenses tax deductible! Health Saving Accounts! Eliminating federal regulations!"

In other words, awesome for the rich and terrible for everyone else. The sound bites sound great, but completely and utterly fail in the long term economic sense. Having health care costs be tax deductible doesn't actually help if you don't have the money in the first place (as many Americans can relate).

Anyway, there are a lot of opinions (some of them are even backed up by facts) about this upcoming election and I hope more people get involved. People need to take back the election process and start ignoring the talking heads on Fox, CNN and other so-called pundits.

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Absolutely, Matt...

You're right about Paul and some of his points, but every candidate has some gaping hole in their alleged policy...

What bugs me most is the "Cowboys vs. Redskins" mentality of "my team needs to win" without people looking at what they stand for...

You are right, though.  People need to have more discourse and just plain vote....

I wish the electronic voting machines didn't make me more cynical...

Still participating in the illusion of voting,

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I know nothing of all of this, but from Matt's link, Ron Paul seems a ...little confused? Is he a liberal or conservative?

Some of his views suck...  :zombiejump:

I don't know, lads.... but I tell you this. You can't do ANY WORSE than what you've got going on in the whitehouse now! I mean, a president who believes in the Great Sky Fairy more than he believes in the Ozone Layer!?  ::)

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You grabbed yourself another subscriber, Mr. Ibarra.  I'm also subbed to Ron's Tube channel, and quite a few folks who really get out the word for Mr. Paul like Montagraph, Azrael's Judgement, and True Patriot Action.

So if you get the alert that Skaramine subscribed to you, that's me.
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I am not a Ron Paul supporter because of his associations with "white power" groups, however I think things get twisted to suit either side of people's agendas. I think it is important to note:

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Paul keeps donation from white supremacist
Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn't plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday.

Don Black, of West Palm Beach, recently made the donation, according to campaign filings. He runs a Web site called Stormfront with the motto, "White Pride World Wide." The site welcomes postings to the "Stormfront White Nationalist Community."

"Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he's wasted his money," Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said. "Ron is going to take the money and try to spread the message of freedom."

"And that's $500 less that this guy has to do whatever it is that he does," Benton added.

Black said he supports Paul's stance on ending the war in Iraq, securing U.S. borders and his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants.

"We know that he's not a white nationalist. He says he isn't and we believe him, but on the issues, there's only one choice," Black said Wednesday. "We like his stand on tight borders and opposition to a police state," Black told The Palm Beach Post earlier.

And I honestly want to believe that this is Paul's stance on the issue.

I can't imagine any intelligent person wanting to support racism or racist organisations. I've known a few of my folks going down to Texas to support the mexican immigrant rallies against The Minuteman Project, because indigenous people need to stick together to fight the racist minutemen who are patrolling our border there. Not all of the patrollers are racist, mind you. But a lot have been brought in from racist militias and generally anyone can join them. I've seen video of mexican women being beaten for daring to cross the border. I've seen video of these Minutemen shooting at people crossing the border, a direct violation of the law. I know, the excuse is always that these border crossers are gangsters and will murder if need be to get across. But where is the video to support this? I didn't see that woman shooting anyone. I'm sure that it has happened, don't get me wrong. That is not my argument. But the vast majority of the illegals crossing are regular people like you and me. Am I against securing our border? NO! What I'm against, is the propaganda that all illegal mexicans crossing the border are drug dealers, murderers, and a drain on our economy.

The drain on our economy thing...That bugs me too. I live and work in a predominantly hispanic area. I have dealings with illegals on a daily basis, partly because of the work I do, and the volunteer work I do. I've mentioned this before, but I will say it again. Regardless of what people have heard over the years, a very large number of illegals do pay taxes. I know I'll hear some flack for it, but it is true. This is a fairly new trend, I'd say by my own estimates something that has been going on for at least the past decade, and maybe a little longer. We've all heard about how large corporations are seeking to hire illegals to work in their production warehouses because of the bottom line. You can get an illegal to do harder work at minimum wage and for longer hours, that a citizen will often pass up. Not that there aren't any legals, or citizens working right alongside, because yes there are! BUT, there are always staffing shortages and the work needs to get done no matter what.

As a casual observer, you might not be aware of what I'm about to reveal to you. But I promise you it happens in every big city in the country, constituting thousands if not millions of illegal staff being hired. And these people are paying taxes. HOW? Staffing agencies and Temp services. You see, the INS can come in and check the books for the employees registered as working for XYZ company. And they will all have SS numbers and everything will look on the up and up. Generally, they don't even bother to do this because it would take a lot of time and manpower to check to see if each and every SS# is legit.

So, basically what is going on is this, as long as the taxes are being taken out of each employees paycheck it doesn't matter if the SS# is real. Employee makes X amount of dollars per week, and X amount of dollars are taken out in taxes. The warehouse/company is not responsible to check IDs, they are passing the buck onto the staffing agency to do the proper checks. All the company worries about is that they need 300 employees per shift to get the work done. The staffing agency can fill that void with no problem, they just assign a fake SS# or recycle numbers for each person they place to that company. The staffing agency will try to hire legals if they can, but if they have a problem filling their quota, who's gonna know the difference?

The staffing agency is making money off from each employee that they can place. Often times, the company will pay something like $6.50/hr, but the staffing agency keeps a percentage and only pays the employee $5.15. It is the staffing agency who makes the paychecks out to the employees. The company only pays a lump sum per day to the staffing agency for fulfilling the quota.

Now here's the tricky part. Illegals know they are illegal, and will never file for an income tax return, or disability, or social security. They can't! Because if they do, the jig is up. All that matters to the illegals is that they can bring home something after a hard week of working. They are not concerned with paying or collecting taxes. The gov't is collecting millions of dollars in taxes that will never be paid back in income tax claims, or social security when these illegals retire.

Instead, the gov't spreads propaganda about how illegals are draining our economy, when in fact they are actually helping our economy. Also, it explains why you don't see the gov't really working all that hard to secure our borders. Having independent groups like The Minuteman Project and the like are just turkey shoots....except that these are human beings we are talking about.

I support more efforts to be made to help those who want to come into the country to work legally, and also amnesty programs for those who have already been here for years and have established families here. Parents of American born children should not have to be treated like criminals just because they were looking for a better life. Should they have entered the country legally? YES! But it is not always a black and white issue, there are not just pat answers to society's problems.

I don't have many answers to give myself, but I'm sure there are better solutions than men patrolling the border and shooting and killing sometimes, illegals attempting to cross. Besides, why not have Minutemen on the Canadian border? Its already been documented that islamic terrorists have crossed the border there to come here and do mischief. What about that? And there ARE illegal Canadians living in the US, as well as other Europeans. Some people just don't want to go back when their visas expire. Why is it always that when one thinks of illegal aliens, its always a mexican that comes to mind? Hmmmm, makes you think.
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***I just wanted to add that my rant was not necessarily against Ron Paul. I think all politicians are crooked in one way or the other. I don't like to get into political arguments either because it is pointless. I just wanted to address my feelings about one of the issues associated with Ron Paul as well as many political contenders.

I'd rather support Dennis Kucinich! Why? He is a whack job, but he does seem to be for the people. Actually, I'm not voting anymore. Its all the same shit, different administration. Diana is being deployed yet again to Iraq, and I'm pissed. She's supposed to be stationed in Baghdad. Last year on Christmas eve her base was attacked, and within one foot of her tent there were deep schrapnel pits. I do not relish losing my baby. Politics make me wanna puke.
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You make a lot of good points that I agree with Diva.  I whole-heartedly agree that much more attention needs to be paid to illegals coming in from other countries instead of just painting Mexicans as the only examples, and a large part of me does sympathize with people who come here with the honest intention of starting a better life.  However, that said, while the economy in and of itself may not suffer from illegal immigration, the ordinary people who live here and compete for the same jobs as illegals DO.  I live in an area with a large amount of illegal immigrants that thrives on factory/manual labor jobs.  I have no criminal history beyond a single traffic ticket, a college education, a work history, etc, and I had to bust my arse for the better part of two years to secure stable employment (and my fiancee is STILL looking) while my savings drained to a mere fraction of what they were in order to get a crappy menial job that leaves me losing money every month.  Apparently, according to my landlady, most of the illegals living in my apartment area are holding down 2-4 jobs apiece.  I don't dispute that a lot of the people who come here are well-intentioned and often times almost insanely hard-working, but as a legal citizen I feel that I have a right to some of the opportunities that get snatched up.  I don't much appreciate having people on my check lane who spend a couple of hundred dollars in groceries (more than I spend in groceries in about two months) and pay for it with a check that I need to fill out for them because they DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ ENGLISH.  That said, I do feel that if half of what you say about people patrolling the borders is true, they're a bunch of racist loonies.       
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Pru, I'm sure that it may be a small percentage of the minutemen that are there for ulterior motives, however it only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch. I will also admit that the same thing could probably be said about the illegals. It only takes one or two instances of violence on initiated by drug smugglers or what have you to paint the rest of the illegals with a broad brush. I've also seen video of border patrol that have treated the border jumpers kindly and with dignity.

The housing or the job issue. I hear you. One of the jobs I do is volunteer my services to The Puerto Rican Association For Human Development, a community organisation to help the indigent find housing, healthcare, and childcare, plus other needs such as immigration issues, tax preparation, and other types of paperwork. One of the most satisfying jobs I worked on was placing hurricane katrina victims into temporary housing....not an easy task in my area where rents run about $1,200 a month on the low end for a two bedroom apt.. It ain't easy! And you are correct, many of these illegals will work two shifts a day....16 hours a day, and then have approx. 4-6 individuals sharing said 2 bedroom apt.. Bunkbeds lining each wall, and sleep in shifts and sharing beds sometimes just because they believed in the hype of the "American dream". Many would like to return to their native home, but cannot afford to do so, because they can hardly get by with rent and food. Trust me, these people are not living any sort of life that regular citizens need to be jealous of. I don't know what opportunities you are referring to about "getting snatched up". Let me reiterate, illegals generally only make $5.15 an hour. Even if they work for a landscaper or other labor type job, they are often paid a lump sum per day that still only equates to slave wages. If you want those jobs, I'm sure I can get in touch with someone in your area and give you a referral. (Please don't take that the wrong way, I was trying to make a point.) These people are being paid far far below the poverty level, and on top of that do not get benefits, or often times work under very dangerous and illegal conditions because the people who employ them are dodging their responsibilities of providing a safe work enviroment and compensation, once again to avoid paying out. Its always about the bottom line. Put the issue of illegals aside, have you noticed most companies only want to hire part timers? Even if they comply with the law, they still will prefer to hire 20 part timers instead of 10 full timers because then they do not have to provide benefits, or overtime pay. I say another way to crack down on the issues in the work force be it legals or illegals, is for the gov't to start putting pressure on those companies to do the right thing. But that's not going to happen for the reason that I stated in my last post.

I do see in my area a concerted effort for non english speaking hispanics to learn to speak english, and their kids are bilingual. And in my own hubby's case, he got his citizenship not too long ago (he came here legally, and resided here legally) because he felt that after paying into the system so many dollars over the past 20+ yrs, and the problems with social security, he wanted to make sure that he would definitely be entitled to his social security benefits. He believes that the gov't will eventually target non citizens, regardless of their immigration status to be cut off from being able to recieve those benefits. 
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My apologies if it sounded like I generalized too much about the border folk, I was merely referring to those wacky enough to be holding anti-Mexican rallies, etc.  I can totally understand the plight of some of these folks when the paths some of the people immigrating are literally going past their house.   However, it is more than a little dangerous to have an all-inclusive policy that allows anyone to join regardless of background; really not a good idea.  Also, I'm not saying that the jobs that illegal immigrants have gotten in this country are jobs to envy per se; far from it.  All I'm saying, is that these are the kind of jobs that are largely available to people in this area, even if they suck (which they most assuredly do; I know from personal experience) and hence it increases the competition folks have to deal with already.  Part-time positions are primarily what's available around here (short of working ungodly long shifts in a factory-which tend to have less than stellar records).  Benefits are as you've mentioned very difficult to come by on a part-time basis, and my pay is $6.70/hr (which is actually more than a number of people who work with me get; even people who have been there longer; don't ask me why).  Also, safety standards, etc, are NOT followed in Indiana worth a crap.  In my previous and current jobs I have dealt with issues including: working 8 hours shifts with no breaks (apparently acceptable to the IN labor board), getting to move stuff out of a room filled with broken glass, working on top of an extremely tall ladder with nobody holding the base, and the list goes on.  I'm not saying that I envy the jobs illegal immigrants hold; God knows I don't want them; but I have held jobs that aren't absurdly far off from them; and considering that I've been in a line of applicants literally going out the door for a single menial job before, I think the people around here would probably want first crack at them if they didn't have to worry about crooked employers (who are the ones I definitely put the blame pretty squarely on in this case mind you) refusing to pay minimum wage.  Oh yes, and politics do suck muchly.  Forgot to mention that last time  :D     
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See, I LOVE good polite debate.  It is through this way that people with two somewhat different points of view can come to a mutual conclusion and find some common ground (in this case, greater control needing to be exerted over the activities of companies).  Spiffy!  :)  Also, I think your husband was very smart to take that precaution Diva; I'd say his concerns are very well-founded given the current state of social security. 
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