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[Doug (Ancient) Wojtowicz]

ROFLCOPTERS are fairly old news.

[krakenten]

Cable series, 'Sons of Guns', demented gunsmithing at it's best!

ROFL grenades are filled with laughing gas.

Nobody has any info on the Scandium frames? The old Airweight guns were fragile, and the new policies of having officers qualify yearly quickly killed them, they went out of time after a few years, and dropping one on a hard surface too often bent the trigger guard and made the gun inoperable.

Many old time plainclothes officers loved their Airweight revolvers.

I have a Spanish alloy frame .45, easy to carry, but I once saw one that had been shot to death, the steel parts had gotten so loose the poor thing  was beyond repair, so mine is put away for time of desperate need-I shot it often enough to know it will answer the call.

[Doug (Ancient) Wojtowicz]

Scanadium frames seem to be quite invulnerable.  If anything, the Scanadium snubbies in the J-frame range tended to threaten users with serious nerve and tendon damage after a dozen or two shots. 

Also, the aluminum frames of the old days weren't as well-treated/mixed as more modern designs.  Metal developments and heat treating since then have gotten much better. 

Even so, if I'm going for a 5-shot .357 Magnum snub-nose, I want it to be an all steel Ruger SP101 with a 3 inch barrel, not a 2 inch M&P Scanadium that weighs slightly less than my favorite Incredible Hulk action figure.

Note - this does not apply to L and N-frame .357's, like the Night Guard which has a cushiony Pachmayer grip, or the Hogue Rubbers on the service-sized revolvers.  I've yet to hear a bad thing about the "fragility" of NightGuards, or the M&P TR8 8-shot .357 Magnum. 

Plus, Smith and Wesson is STILL selling the 357 PD and 329 PD (in .41 Magnum and .44 Magnum respectively) so the recoil and fragility of those Scanadium revolvers isn't in question, just the fragility of the hands holding them.  Lots of replacement rubber grips are sold for those revolvers.

A friend, Mike Z Williamson considers Red Jacket (the Sons of Guns company) to be totally hillbilly bubbas... doesn't want them touching his recoilless rifle one bit.

[Thom Brannan]

Going back to an earlier post (I'm pretty sure it was Gren) that pointed out a recipe from the anarchist's cookbook that went something along the lines of tossing a broomstick down the muzzle of a boomstick (ha), and using it as a vampire harpoon.

Just sitting down with a calculator and a couple of dug up statistics (time to make me look good at maths), I can see that there's gonna be a helluva recoil on that.  1560 fps muzzle velocity on a 1oz slug, proportionally speaking to a broomstick handle which weighs nearly 20 times that.

Put it this way, in an 8 pound shotgun (home defense model, nothing in the 'zine), a Remington Slugger will feel like 12 lbs against your shoulder.

If you slide a two pound broomstick down the barrel of that same gun, You'll only get about a hundred feet per second of velocity, but it's going to feel like you have an angry swede standing on your shoulder, nearly 300 lbs of force.

IF the breech can take the pressures involved.  I'd want to put one in a bench vise on something REAL heavy and stand behind a truck when it was fired.

This is only gonna hurt once, but DAMN is it gonna hurt.

How do they deal with that issue with more conventional rifle-mounted grenade launchers? 

For that matter, why aren't those things used more?  I've seen pictures but, aside from the Marines in "Aliens" I don't remember ever seeing characters in a story use them.

further research led me to the SIMON door-breaching system. the Simon is a grenade with a stand-off that fits over the end of an M16 (or whatever they're firing nowadays) and is impelled at the door in question by the bullet from your gun.

it weighs about a pound and a half and doesn't seem to have any more recoil than a regular rifle round, from the video evidence i've seen. not that i'm calling anyone's math into question, but this is indicative of . . . something. i don't know what, yet.

anyone have an answer for this?

[Brave Blue Mice]

It appears that

Going back to an earlier post (I'm pretty sure it was Gren) that pointed out a recipe from the anarchist's cookbook that went something along the lines of tossing a broomstick down the muzzle of a boomstick (ha), and using it as a vampire harpoon.

Just sitting down with a calculator and a couple of dug up statistics (time to make me look good at maths), I can see that there's gonna be a helluva recoil on that.  1560 fps muzzle velocity on a 1oz slug, proportionally speaking to a broomstick handle which weighs nearly 20 times that.

Put it this way, in an 8 pound shotgun (home defense model, nothing in the 'zine), a Remington Slugger will feel like 12 lbs against your shoulder.

If you slide a two pound broomstick down the barrel of that same gun, You'll only get about a hundred feet per second of velocity, but it's going to feel like you have an angry swede standing on your shoulder, nearly 300 lbs of force.

IF the breech can take the pressures involved.  I'd want to put one in a bench vise on something REAL heavy and stand behind a truck when it was fired.

This is only gonna hurt once, but DAMN is it gonna hurt.

How do they deal with that issue with more conventional rifle-mounted grenade launchers? 

For that matter, why aren't those things used more?  I've seen pictures but, aside from the Marines in "Aliens" I don't remember ever seeing characters in a story use them.

further research led me to the SIMON door-breaching system. the Simon is a grenade with a stand-off that fits over the end of an M16 (or whatever they're firing nowadays) and is impelled at the door in question by the bullet from your gun.

it weighs about a pound and a half and doesn't seem to have any more recoil than a regular rifle round, from the video evidence i've seen. not that i'm calling anyone's math into question, but this is indicative of . . . something. i don't know what, yet.

anyone have an answer for this?

It's a question of power.  The M4 carbine (preferred platform for the SIMON) fires 5.56 NATO, which is a four gram projectile (.15 oz) at 3100 fps, which in a simliarly weighted firearm would produce but a fraction of the power.  Let me see here, if this is the five, and this is the one........  Carry the four....

Instead of 1560 oz/ft/s coming out of the barrel, you only have 465 oz/ft/s belching death.  Divide that into the same weight weapon (a loaded M4 is roughly seven pounds), and you get something that's shootable, albeit, I wouldn't want to spend a day at the range tossing SIMONs.

[krakenten]

Thanks for the info!

Lightweight magnums are going to have cruel recoil. Not so serious if you only shoot it rarely, but not so good for frequent practice, danger of developing a flinch in some operators. I've never liked the .357 Magnum because of it's sharp and unpleasant recoil.

But the .41 Magnum is probably too much gun for human targets, the FBI was all excited about getting a 10n MM, almost identical in ballistics to the .41 Magnum, only to discover that it went zipping through humans with little energy dump. The .44 Magnum does the same thing.

Guess I'm stuck with my .40 Auto Glocks-I have a pair-and I've just saved a grand.

Thanks again!

[krakenten]

Good Gravy!

I just discovered that you can buy a Mare's Leg lever action pistol from Rossi-been away from guns far too long.

Far too long, and I want one something fierce, gotta find a dealer ASAP. Just the thing for zombie hunting.

Strange bit of trivia, Winchester made a '92 with a 12 inch tube(but a full size stock) and a bayonet lug. Probably came with a bayonet, too.

It was used for hunting jaguar, with dogs-safer to use the blade when the dogs were scrapping with the big cat, but you could shoot when practical. Various blades have been used for hunting with hounds,swords, spears and long daggers-that's why you see hunting swords, time to time, some are still made, but not often used. The two handed Scottish claymore was actually a hunting blade, but if the feud was on, well a sword is a sword.

[Matthew]

[krakenten]

As in Doc Savage?

[Doug (Ancient) Wojtowicz]

Yes, as in Doctor Clark Savage.

[krakenten]

For those who like playing dress up,Steampunk style,Museum Replicas is offering a non firing replica of the Volcanic pistol, the handgun version of what became the Henry rifle.

Didn't work worth a damn, and it fouled like crazy, the projectiles were full of mercury fulminate.

Later, the Gyrojet system tried the same thing,didn't work either.

Right about the same time, the Dardick pistol was offered. It worked fine, but used triangular plastic  cases,looked funny and never caught on.

Pity, that, the engineering of it was superb,sort of a magazine fed revolver that held a lot of ammo-it may re-emerge some day.

[Rob Pegler]

Googled the Dardick. I'm sure it was a wonderfully-engineered gun but fuck me, was it ugly as sin.

[krakenten]

The old Numrich Arms company had some of them for sale, years ago, They were in the catalog for ages, Gun Parts, the successor company may still have them.

Bannerman's, the old gun graveyard, may be the ancestor of all these firms. The Bannerman Castle is falling to ruin, but nobody wants to demolish it, there are some surprises there yet-the Castle caught fire long ago, and the results were hair raising, the Fire Department decided to just let it burn. And explode. And explode. And explode.......

I actually handled a Gyrojet carbine, once. Save for being impractical-the projectiles took too long to get up to speed,alas-it was impressive. A full auto version sprayed slugs like a garden hose, and the mechanism was as simple as a Pez dispenser.

As Mark Twain said, "It was a good gun, until you tried to shoot something with it,".

[Doug (Ancient) Wojtowicz]

Now that is strange - I always thought the Volcanic utilized more conventional rimfire ammunition. 

It's a darn shame that they never made it for the .44 Henry rimfire round. 

[krakenten]

The Volcanic pistol and carbine fired 'rocket balls', conical hollow bullets full of fulminate of mercury. Sometimes, the magazine would detonate from recoil, and produce fireworks.

Henry adapted the system to use rimfire cartridges, loaded from the front like a BB gun. The side loading gate was 'King's Improvement' which gave the Henry awesome firepower. it was the Tommy Gun of its day.

The Savage revolver used a lever cocking system that worked a lot like a Volcanic pistol, why the handgun never was manufactured is unknown to me.  Perhaps it was too slow, or the factory was  too busy making rifles. It was wartime, after all.

Self contained shotgun shells were common by the time of the Civil War, Confederate cavalry and infantry used shotguns when muskets and carbines were not to be had.

An observer from Europe wrote, "Their cavalry fights were dismal affairs, both sides will will gallop with much shouting, then halt forty yards apart, where they take up a desultory fire with carbines and revolvers." Sorry to disappoint you ,pal.

Perhaps one of the most glorious and least remembered cavalry charges of all time was the Charge of the Heavy Brigade, when fat old General Scarlett charged a superior Russian force, up hill, and whipped them like rented mules. This was regular Russian horse, had it been Cossacks, who knows?

The Light Brigade's fiasco gets all the ink, but I remember that old fox hunter, red as a radish and blowing like a beached whale, and how he led his troopers from the front and won a great victory, little remembered.

If there is a horse soldier's Heaven, may he ride the clouds bellowing 'View,hallooo' any time he wants.

Gallant fellow!