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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2012, 10:46:36 PM »

Interesting.  I'd never thought of it that way, I just always assumed some kind of time travel.

Although... if they were all shipped off to cold storage, how was that arranged?  It seems odd that the next shift of guards would come on (going off the pilot) and be completely baffled by everyone vanishing.  If I was setting up all these prisoners and guards to be put in cold storage, wouldn't I have the ability to switch a duty schedule around?

Also... why would they (the folks behind this) keep bringing the '63's back to Alcatraz?  If I have them in cold storage (thus, dumpable anywhere) why would I have guys waking up back in their Alcatraz cell block?

I'm going to keep watching, because the first episode intrigued me and the second one had some cool points.  But the third was a real let down.  Too many more like that and...  :-\
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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2012, 07:33:07 AM »


Although... if they were all shipped off to cold storage, how was that arranged?  It seems odd that the next shift of guards would come on (going off the pilot) and be completely baffled by everyone vanishing.  If I was setting up all these prisoners and guards to be put in cold storage, wouldn't I have the ability to switch a duty schedule around?


All the guards were housed on the island so they all vanished also.  But there would be a problem maintaining the impression that they were now somewhere else.  And what about this:  The Doc would have wanted to interview the guards for his research, but he would not have been able to contact them.  Unless he spoke to impostors.  Or maybe the guards not in on it were all just reassigned.  Or maybe all the guards were in on it.  That could work.

I suppose the '63 ers need to be turned loose in the San Francisco area so our heroes can catch them
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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2012, 08:03:07 AM »

I missed the first two eps so I can't contribute much. If this involves actual vanishing and reappearing, do they appear in the cell blocks? If that's the case, how do they get to shore? The Bay's cold waters and nasty currents make swimming to shore very difficult. They could hijack a tour boat, but that trick should only work once and would be very easy to guard against.
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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2012, 10:37:39 AM »

I missed the first two eps so I can't contribute much. If this involves actual vanishing and reappearing, do they appear in the cell blocks? If that's the case, how do they get to shore? The Bay's cold waters and nasty currents make swimming to shore very difficult. They could hijack a tour boat, but that trick should only work once and would be very easy to guard against.

Only one showed up, in a cell block, on one of the tours.  And actually, he had tickets (and identification) in his pocket to ride the ferry back to San Francisco. 

In fact, the hundreds of prisoners could actually have been coming back in trickles, but the pilot episode actually killed several people, and this one was scared, and off balance, resulting in his lashing out and engaging in violence.  The sniper didn't appear to have much of a plot other than to put a bullet through Lucy's heart, and he was having the time of his life popping innocents.

They also have "burner credit cards."
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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2012, 11:28:37 AM »

Hmm... if the heroes know the cons are showing up in the cell blocks it would be fairly simple to install a couple of cops on the island. Any time you have an extra person returning on the ferry, they detain the new guy.

That might foul up the show though.

It does sound kind of like LOST with both some sort of strange, powerful force, and some sort of mysterious human agency at work.
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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2012, 11:30:35 AM »

They could make it a parallel world, where everything is just like ours, except that the Statue of Liberty is copper colored, and Olivie is a redhead, and Spock has a beard, and the Brigadier has an eyepatch, and . . . ::)
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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2012, 03:47:47 PM »

If I want to get a message to my doppelganger in a parallel world, could I send him a parallel-o-gram?
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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2012, 01:02:28 AM »

Okay, finally.  We're finally seeing a big, overall arc.  And I like that said arc ties back to our main cast more than it ties to the mystery.

They've got me for another couple episodes.  :)
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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2012, 07:33:29 AM »

There was a day or two AFTER the disappearance, according to Guy.

"And then it wasn't 1963 anymore."

And is it bad that I like Sam Neill, Jorge Garcia and Robert Forster more than Sarah Jones?

And when is Lucy getting back on her feet?  Mmm, she was hawt.
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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2012, 09:19:00 PM »

I watch very little TV--BREAKING BAD and MAD MEN are pretty much it--but I caught an episode of ALCATRAZ on Hulu+; the ep about the child killer. It wasn't horrible, and I thought the killer was pretty disturbing. Glad to see it's kept your guys' interest. I'll have to seek out more episodes.

By the way, the same day I watched this, I also watched a special peek episode of AWAKE on Hulu. It debuts in March. I actually think the concept is more interesting than ALCATRAZ, and the execution so far seems subtler.

Here's a description, but I caution you: if you learn more about the show beyond this, you'll likely lose some of the impact of the pilot. I went in knowing only this short description, and I'm glad:

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In the aftermath of a fatal car accident, Detective Michael Britten struggles with dueling realities in parallel worlds.

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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2012, 12:16:46 AM »

My lovely lady, who's so good at putting her finger on problems, pinned down something about Alcatraz that's been gnawing at me.  We discussed it, expanded on the idea, and I think we've found the major flaw in this show.

We essentially have three groups in the show.  Our team in the present.  The criminal '63s.  The warden and his staff in the past.  All the problems tie to that third group.

The Warden and his people have two issues.  The first one is that they know what's going on with all these medical procedures (some of them, anyway), but the writers can't have them talk about it because that kills the main mystery of the show.  In this sense, it's the same flaw as The Event--you've chosen to make the source of the mystery one of the main elements of your show, but you don't want to reveal said mystery.  So the characters are always having awkward conversations that try to talk around things, even when it's just two of them alone in a room.

The second issue ties to the middle group of characters, the prisoners.  The warden and his flunkies seem to range from harsh to openly cruel.  This, combined with issue #1, kind of makes then the bad guys in the past.  So, by default, the prisoners are the good guys.  This also goes with how they keep filming the flashbacks, with each inmate the hero of his own story.

Not a problem in and of itself.  When they end up in the present, though, our team are the heroes and the good guys, so now the inmates are the bad guys, both by action and by default.  

So in every episode, we keep getting conflicting messages about who we're supposed to be rooting for.   ???   :(
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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2012, 11:38:51 PM »

Wow...




**SPOILERS**




...that finale really sucked.   :(
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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2012, 09:11:01 PM »

See the Black Lectroid from Planet Ten's comments (8 second mark) for my thoughts on this episode.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/8MqJ3iGBdOo" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/8MqJ3iGBdOo</a>
Then stay tuned for some real cool walking around featuring Buck, Team Banzai, the Hong Kong cavaliers, and the Blue Blaze Irregulars!

(I really wish there had been a sequel :'( )
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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2012, 09:16:37 PM »

In this sense, it's the same flaw as The Event--you've chosen to make the source of the mystery one of the main elements of your show, but you don't want to reveal said mystery.  So the characters are always having awkward conversations that try to talk around things, even when it's just two of them alone in a room.

For me, LOST has been the only TV show that's really pulled this off well. Some people would argue that, the "well" part, but they produced 6 stellar seasons centered around one huge mystery. They just knew exactly which perspective to give us to avoid the flaw you mention above. The success was all in the point of view.
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Re: Alcatraz
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2012, 11:52:47 PM »

True, but that was the thing-- LOST didn't make any of the Others or Jacob the main characters of the show.  They were always this... well, Other group from somewhere else on the island.  It dodged this bullet perfectly.

Imagine how different LOST would've been if we started the show spending ten minutes of every episode with Desmond was in the hatch (but he couldn't make any reference to the Dharma Initiative or the computer) or with "Mr. Smiley" and a few of the Others (but they can't mention Jacob, or how they got there, or how they live, or that Ben's their leader).

Yet that's what The Event and Alcatraz both tried to do.

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(yeah, I'm just going to save time and start referring to Alcatraz in the past tense now.
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